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Old 11-23-2012, 11:53 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Old 11-26-2012, 07:10 PM   #78 (permalink)
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heres my response from new belgium

Thanks for your note. In August 2012 New Belgium, along with 100 other companies, signed a letter in support of designating the Greater Canyonlands as a national monument. We did so because we believe the area greatly needs the protections that monument status will afford. The document clearly calls out the economic role that outdoor recreation plays in the area and asks for protections that will allow that industry to flourish. Our advocacy on this issue acknowledges that public access to these lands is dependent upon their federally designated status. We support sensible allocation of open space for all recreational enthusiasts including motorized vehicles. Our understanding is that monument status does not necessarily exclude motorized vehicles, as that would be negotiated in the management plan.
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Old 11-26-2012, 08:05 PM   #79 (permalink)
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heres my response from new belgium

Thanks for your note. In August 2012 New Belgium, along with 100 other companies, signed a letter in support of designating the Greater Canyonlands as a national monument. We did so because we believe the area greatly needs the protections that monument status will afford. The document clearly calls out the economic role that outdoor recreation plays in the area and asks for protections that will allow that industry to flourish. Our advocacy on this issue acknowledges that public access to these lands is dependent upon their federally designated status. We support sensible allocation of open space for all recreational enthusiasts including motorized vehicles. Our understanding is that monument status does not necessarily exclude motorized vehicles, as that would be negotiated in the management plan.
What a load of crap response!!!
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Old 11-30-2012, 09:57 AM   #80 (permalink)
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Dear Trail Voter,

As TPAC gears up for the 2014 midterm elections, it wants to keep trail voters updated periodically on important issues.

You are already aware of this effort by the Outdoor Industry Association to urge President Obama to use (misuse) the Antiquities Act of 1906 to designate 1.4 million acres in Utah as the Canyonlands National Monument.

Further limits need to be placed on the Act that would prevent an Administration from using executive orders to set aside millions of acres as National Monuments without input from Congress and the public, this remains one of our key reform objectives.

Currently, national OHV groups, the powersports industry, the Governor of Utah, and the Utah Congressional delegation oppose the monument plan since these designations historically limit or ban OHV recreation and other public uses.

The next few years will most certainly be filled with a lot of politically motivated land-use decisions that will require trail voters and users to remain engaged.


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Old 11-30-2012, 12:56 PM   #81 (permalink)
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The OIA's Letter is a Slap in Your Face!

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Best quote on OIA's request for a new National Monument in Utah:
We begin our update with a quote from utah state senator david hinkins from emery county. Hinkins was quoted in the desert news as saying:

[T]he designation would cut off access to a lot of people, especially the elderly and disabled veterans. "this is supposed to be a great tourist destination, and that's one of the reasons they say we're keeping this so that the people can see it. Ok, fine. Let's let the people see it then!"


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Utah is a state that feels its voice is not heard by federal land managers. Approximately two-thirds of utah is managed by the federal government and many of its citizens are kept in poverty due to limits on economic activities on these public lands. Despite clear direction from congress, federal land managers refuse to acknowledge any state or locally controlled access rights across public lands (rs 2477 roads). Each year more and more restrictions on recreation are imposed. This has resulted in an effort to evaluate ways to reduce (if not eliminate) federal management of its public lands. The oia, in its unwavering pursuit of its own narrow agenda, presumably overlooked the possibility their approach will literally throw gas on the embers now glowing in utah.

The antiquities act provides a president with nearly unilateral authority to reserve public lands as national monuments. In different political times, previous presidents stretched this authority without regard to the concerns of local and state governments. It is time for a new approach. Designating a 1.4 million acre national monument in utah - without extensive public involvement - is not the right direction, and may "poison the well" for future collaborative processes.

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Old 12-01-2012, 08:42 PM   #82 (permalink)
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Bushauler, you are truly naive to believe that National Monument status does not negatively impact motorized recreation on public lands. Your statement regrding your own business intetests being allowed to "flourish" speaks volumes about your agenda, and your complete lack of understanding towards motorized recreation culture.

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Old 12-01-2012, 09:17 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Bushauler, you are truly naive to believe that National Monument status does not negatively impact motorized recreation on public lands. Your statement regrding your own business intetests being allowed to "flourish" speaks volumes about your agenda, and your complete lack of understanding towards motorized recreation culture.
Huh? He posted the letter he got from New Belgium.
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You're right...I should have directed my comment towards New Belgium. Apologies to bushauler.
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Old 12-07-2012, 02:03 PM   #86 (permalink)
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For those who have not been paying attention, Ashley Korenblat & Peter Metcalf published a press release about the OIA letter:

https://www.facebook.com/notes/weste...51354575330242


Here is a good Rebuttal:

A Rebuttal to the OIA / Ashley Korenblat Statement on the Proposed Greater Canyonlands NM « Sagebrush Coalition
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Here is a good Rebuttal:
This has to be the understatement of the century!!

AWESOME rebuttal doesn't even begin to characterize it!!!

Sweet . . .

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Old 12-10-2012, 03:51 PM   #88 (permalink)
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This has to be the understatement of the century!!

AWESOME rebuttal doesn't even begin to characterize it!!!

Sweet . . .
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:35 PM   #89 (permalink)
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:14 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Why does the pro-OHV letter not mention the fact that most Americans are not willing to hike nor bicycle nor horse-back-ride, but have equal right to enjoy these locations?

I'd favor new laws requiring non-defeatable traction control that if you can't get there without any wheelspin, then you must not try to get there by OHV.
If we'd quit leaving twin black stripes all around Moab, the greenies would lose most of their arguments and evidence.
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i lived in moab .. and the tour busses full of foreigners are alot harder on the area than rock crawlers..

they get off the bus walk past signs that say stay on the trail.. dont walk here.. go to take a picture next to a flower then 1 by 1 a 150 of them do it..they leave 20 mins later( or less) the next bus full comes in and does the same thing.
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Why does the pro-OHV letter not mention the fact that most Americans are not willing to hike nor bicycle nor horse-back-ride, but have equal right to enjoy these locations?

I'd favor new laws requiring non-defeatable traction control that if you can't get there without any wheelspin, then you must not try to get there by OHV.
If we'd quit leaving twin black stripes all around Moab, the greenies would lose most of their arguments and evidence.
I have a well built rig, and friends with buggies. Don't negotiate like that. Only the easiest lines will be available.. If you can always make it with no wheel spin you are not wheelin. We don't need to up our trails for the greenies. They need to stop being such ninnies.
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Back at it again.

14 senators want Obama to create national monument in Utah | The Salt Lake Tribune
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By Compromise or Executive Order, Greater Canyonlands Needs Protection

BY JIM DABAKIS
First Published Aug 22 2014 06:21 pm • Last Updated Aug 22 2014 06:32 pm


Edward Abbey called Utah’s Canyonlands area "the most weird, wonderful, magical place on earth — there is nothing else like it anywhere."

He was right. Two hundred and ninety million years in the making, this pristine land is the soul of America. Its solace and tranquility refresh those who come to its well. At 1.4 million acres, Greater Canyonlands (including Canyonlands National Park’s 337,598 acres) is the largest roadless property in America outside of Alaska. It is a unique ecosystem unlike any other place on the planet.

Today, Greater Canyonlands is under attack and urgently needs protection. Frankly, I don’t care how the safeguarding gets done. Perhaps Rep. Rob Bishop’s lofty "grand bargain" will allow Utah to exchange state land for federal public land. Or maybe President Obama will protect Greater Canyonlands by invoking the Antiquities Act, making it a national monument just as President Theodore Roosevelt made the Grand Canyon a national monument 11 years before Congress got around to making it a national park.

Congressman Bishop, you have two years left with the Obama administration to gather input from Utahns and cooperatively protect Greater Canyonlands. Please, Mr. Bishop, work it out. But if that does not happen, I am one elected Utah official asking the president to act to protect this land.

Canyonlands must not be treated as some boom-and-bust town, exploited into oblivion until its resources are depleted, with the profiteers then moving on. This land needs sanctuary from the fossil-fuel and chemical extractors — industries that often think only of short-term profits.

According to a report by the Greater Canyonlands Coalition, there is either work being done or planned in Greater Canyonlands for oil and gas, tar sands and potash mining. The oil boom is already playing out at the entrance to the Island in the Sky district of Canyonlands National Park and Dead Horse Point State Park. Locals now dub it "oil land in the sky."

In the 200-square-mile "tar sands triangle" between the Colorado and Dirty Devil rivers, energy companies hold leases for tar sands strip mining on more than 90,000 acres. The leases are inside Glen Canyon National Recreation Area, border Canyonlands National Park and Bureau of Land Management wilderness study areas. In January 2013, Utah’s Division of Oil, Gas and Mining gave final approval for a commercial tar sands strip mining operation (the first in the United States) in the raw, spontaneous nature of the Book Cliffs north of Moab.

Hatch Point is under pressure from potash developers. In the name of Utah schoolchildren, Utah’s School and Institutional Trust Lands Administration approved five exploration wells, which have been drilled; the BLM has approved five more, which await drilling. If developed, the region would be crisscrossed with new roads, pipelines, a warehouse-sized "drying building" and new electric and gas infrastructure ¬— all in what is now a designated BLM special recreation management area.

Additionally, the BLM has approved potash exploration above Labyrinth Canyon of the Green River, within Greater Canyonlands.

We are not going to lose Greater Canyonlands. We have already lost it for future generations. The people of the state must demand Canyonlands back, demand that it be protected. If the state won’t protect this, the president must.

Whatever the future may hold in the generational battle over public lands in Utah, Greater Canyonlands ought not be held hostage in that war. Land so beautiful, so spectacular and so precious that all Utahns should demand now that our collective stewardship over this land be taken seriously. These 1.4 million acres are delicate; they must be protected, forever.

Jim Dabakis is a Democratic state senator representing District 2, and is a member of the Utah Commission for the Stewardship of Public Lands.

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Old 08-26-2014, 09:59 AM   #95 (permalink)
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Your Senator Has Called For a Massive National Monument Designation in Utah

Recently 14 Senators, none of whom are from Utah, wrote President Obama urging him to designate 1.8 million acres of the Greater Canyonlands in Utah as a National Monument. The letter stated, “…we write to encourage you to consider using your authority under the Antiquities Act to declare Greater Canyonlands a national monument.” One of these Senators was from your state!

Please Take Action and send an email letting your Senator know that massive, inappropriate National Monument designations are not the way forward in Utah or elsewhere.

TAKE ACTION NOW!


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Why does the pro-OHV letter not mention the fact that most Americans are not willing to hike nor bicycle nor horse-back-ride, but have equal right to enjoy these locations?

I'd favor new laws requiring non-defeatable traction control that if you can't get there without any wheelspin, then you must not try to get there by OHV.
If we'd quit leaving twin black stripes all around Moab, the greenies would lose most of their arguments and evidence.
Even with traction control those black marks would still be present. The tires will still transfer material to the traction rich sand stone.

I also think you should be banned from Pirate for such a stupid statement!
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If we'd quit leaving twin black stripes all around Moab, the greenies would lose most of their arguments and evidence.
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